Articles | Volume 6-osr9
https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-6-osr9-6-2025
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the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.A new conceptual framework for assessing the physical state of the Baltic Sea
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- Final revised paper (published on 30 Sep 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on sp-2024-19', Anonymous Referee #1, 09 Oct 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Ilja Maljutenko, 21 Jan 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on sp-2024-19', Anonymous Referee #2, 09 Dec 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Ilja Maljutenko, 21 Jan 2025
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ED: Publish subject to revisions (further review by editor and referees) (22 Jan 2025) by Johannes Karstensen

AR by Ilja Maljutenko on behalf of the Authors (02 Apr 2025)
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AR by Ilja Maljutenko on behalf of the Authors (31 Jul 2025)
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ED: Publish as is (07 Aug 2025) by Marilaure Grégoire (Chief editor)

AR by Ilja Maljutenko on behalf of the Authors (12 Aug 2025)
Summary: The manuscript presents an analysis of a data set from the Baltic Sea reanalysis, focusing on temperature, salinity, ocean heat content and freshwater content. This data set covers the period 1993-2023. The manuscript investigates long-term trends and the connection between these variables. The conclusions of the analysis are not totally surprising. They identify a warming trend and a strong connection between water temperature and ocean heat content and between salinity and freshwater content.
Recommendation: I have concerns about the manuscript's framing, title, and objectives. I do not see problems with the data analysis. My recommendation is that the manuscript requires substantial revisions.
Main points:
1) The title is misleading. I could not identify any ' new conceptual framework framework' nor find a definition for 'state of the Baltic Sea'. The manuscript is perhaps a valuable presentation of the ocean reanalysis, but it does not present any 'framework#' and leaves many concepts in the title and in the introduction undefined. I think this manuscript is indeed a presentation of this data set, which is fine, but it tries to present it as a more substantial advance than it really is.
If the authors believe the manuscript presents a new conceptual framework, they should explain it clearly in the introduction. I failed to see it.
2) The introduction often presents the manuscript in a too-bright light. For instance, the text states (line 45) that it presents a 'model'. I cannot see any model. Again, the manuscript analyzes the connections between different ocean and atmospheric variables, but it does not contain any model that would allow predictions or that includes any physical mechanisms, equations, etc.
3) I have problems understanding the 'state of the Baltic Sea'. First, it appears that the manuscript deals only with physical variables and leaves geochemical or biological variables out of the analysis. The use of 'state of the Baltic Sea' on this account alone seems exaggerated. But more importantly, what does 'state' mean here? Is it a snapshot of the ocean at a particular time? Does it mean a more value-centered assessment of the situation in the Baltic Sea (good, bad, etc.)? Readers curious about the title may be vastly disappointed when reading the manuscript.
4) I do not see the need for a Random Forest method. The manuscript applies this algorithm to conclude that the driver for the heat content is the temperature at all layers and that the diver for freshwater content is salinity at all layers. Do we need an RF algorithm? Any reader would be stunned if the results would have been different. Ocean heat content can be directly calculated from temperature, and freshwater can be directly calculated from salinity. I do not see the need or the advantage of using a machine-learning algorithm to identify those connections. They are obvious.
5) On the other hand, the research question is unclear. What knowledge gap would the manuscript fill? What is unknown in the variability of the Baltic Sea that this data set may help to clarify? The introduction is silent about this.
Summarizing these previous points, it seems to me that the manicurist tries to push up a correct and useful analysis of the ocean data by using exaggerated terms (which often do not have a clear meaning)
Particular comments:
6) line 33 exceptional increase in global sea surface temperature
Exceptional in which sense? At which time scale? Th Earth's temperatures have been warmer than now in the geological past.
7) Figure 1 : Conceptual Scheme of the Baltic Sea State parameters.
Again, what is the conceptual scheme shown in this figure? This figure shows the obvious links between those physical variables and only physical variables.
8) Some methodological aspects are not clearly explained. For instance, I struggled to find the time scales of analysis. I think it is only mentioned in one figure caption or line 171, which alludes to annual means. I kept wondering for a long time if the authors were anal sing daily means, monthly means, seasonal means or annual means
9) Likewise, it is not all clear whether these variables are considered at the grid-cell scale, water column scale or averaged over the Baltic Sea
10) Often, physical units are missing, for instance, when stating trends. Trends must have units of variable per unit of time. It is not clear if the trends refer to changes per year, for instance, or over the whole period
11) "Surface net solar radiation has a weaker but still significant positive trend of 0.058±0.035, and the evaporation time series shows a negative trend of-0.041±0.039"
Units missing