the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Laboratory experiments in ocean alkalinity enhancement research
Maria D. Iglesias-Rodríguez
Rosalind E. M. Rickaby
Arvind Singh
James A. Gately
Download
- Final revised paper (published on 27 Nov 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 13 Jul 2023)
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
-
RC1: 'Comment on sp-2023-7', Anonymous Referee #1, 07 Aug 2023
Review of Laboratory experiments in ocean alkalinity enhancement research
This paper is a chapter within a series of papers about Ocean Alkalinity Enhancement (OAE) research. It is supposed to describe best practices for laboratory experiments in OAE context. I find the paper a mixture of useful and not useful information, with the abstract promising 4 very useful things but then I don’t find I have been given that information on those 4 aspects once I’ve read the whole paper. Especially given it is one chapter as part of a series, and the chapter “Ch. 4.1: Introduction, general considerations – Sam Dupont (lead), Marc Metian https://sp.copernicus.org/preprints/sp-2023-4/” and preceding chapters provide more comprehensive information about many of the areas touched on in this paper (i.e. “4. sources of alkalinity” is covered in chapter 3 and also in chapter 4.1., “6. experimental replication”, “7. Testing impacts on marine oirganisms” and “8. Choice of Species” are covered in part by Ch 4.1) . Overall I think the paper could do with a slight rearrangement and focus to provide the reader with more useful information – perhaps something that follows their Table 1 (thus making table 1 a more important visual representation of the paper) and provides the details that’s in the legend of that table in the text. For example:
1. Introduction
a. Pros and cons to lab experiments
b. Lessons Learned from acidification
2. Seawater media preparation and manipulation of carbonate chemistry (include current sections 3, 4 and 5)
3. Experimental design (include current sections 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
a. Replication
b. Preliminary experiments
c. Type of experiment (bottle vs container; lab vs ship-board/portable – section 11)
d. Abrupt vs chronic exposures
4. Sampling and analysis (table 2, section 11 and bits of others like second paragraph of section 6)
a. Criteria for key parameters
b. Sampling frequency and timing
c. Reporting key parameters
5. Conclusions and recommendationsSpecific comments:
1. Introduction: I find this a little muddled, with some convoluted sentences. The introduction should be a clear statement about the need for this paper and what the paper sets out to achieve guiding the reader through the remaining sections.
Line 22: change “are intended to be” to “need to be”
Line 35: “The current focus” of what?
Line 38-40: Some of the language could be written more confidently, given this is supposed to be recommendation and best practice. This sentence is a perfect example of this, as it suggests (in a convoluted way) that the authors don’t yet know what the best practice should be. Same for Lines 42 to 45.
Line 42: “The rich insights obtained in ocean acidification research…” sentence is out of place here. It should be the start of section 2.
Line 49: “Offering guidelines provided in this chapter…” this isn’t very good English. The sentence needs re-writing.
2. Lessons Learned from ocean acidification research: This section seems to spend the first paragraph saying how bad acidification research was, in terms of improper reporting, improper replication, or improper conditions (which then are justified in the later sentences of the paragraph). Instead it would be useful to frame OAE in the context of what we have learned from acidification research (and other lab experimental work), pointing towards the OA guide to best practice for a lot of detail on lab and chemistry manipulation information that cannot be covered in this chapter. Highlighting the importance for clear media preparation, consistent manipulation of the chemistry, reporting of this data and experimental design. All of which will then be covered in the following sections. In addition, specific to acidification and OAE, is the second paragraph and third paragraphs about DOM but also the multiple stressors.
Line 57: “In their study…” who’s study?
Line 61-64: Pointing out the choice of treatment conditions is useful, but the way it is done here is not helpful. It would be more useful to state that careful consideration is needed when deciding treatment levels. Learning from acidification research there are two aspects resources and question trying to be answered. If there are limited resources then focus on realistic levels, however if the question is about determining thresholds or determining the underlying physiological mechanisms of a response, then pushing beyond those realistic levels might have more value.
Box 1: This box does not appear to be referred to anywhere in the text other than the last sentence of the portable incubation experiments. If it is meant to be a summary of good standard practise then it needs to be more informative to that point. There is more useful information in Ch4.1 on all of these aspects than is presented in this box. For instance, Reproducibility – experiments need to be considered fully replicable by reporting methods correctly as well as sampling and reporting on all key parameters (see table 2)….
Line 84: “… we have learned that similar approaches can…” what is meant by this?
3. Seawater media preparation: This section, as well as section 4 and 5 could all do with reworking, especially if the authors decide to follow my suggestion in the overall comment. They need to have focussed take away messages – following the lines of Table 1.
4. Sources of alkalinity: As above. Given there is a chapter on this topic, here the authors would benefit from being more specific about how one would manipulate the carbonate chemistry in a lab experiment setting. i.e. the types of alkalinity but also the suitability (pros/cons maybe) for types of experiment (phytoplankton, zooplankton, benthic). Given also the caveat (as explained on line 160) that alkalinity above a certain threshold causes precipitates. Does this need to be avoided? What are the implications?
5. Impacts of impurities: As above.
6. Experimental replication:
Line 229: replace “several approaches can be applied experimentally to address replication” with “Replication is important in order to… …there are a number of experimental designs that can be set up that allow adequate statistical replication”.Line 230: “experimental unit (containing replicates)” is not an experimental unit if it then contains replicates within it! Simple replication involved having more than one experimental unit per treatment where all conditions are manipulated independently but in the same way for that treatment. These experimental units can be considered as independent.
Line 233: “treated as independent experiment units of a treatment” is incorrect. Temporal sampling of the same unit is not independent as there is more chance the response is similar at points closer in time than further away in time (see section 4.4.3 of Guide to best practice for acidification research, or other stats books). However, as long as we have replicate units being sampled through time then we can use repeated measures statistics to account for this non-independence.
Second paragraph (line 243-254) is not about experimental replication but instead is about reducing errors and storage issues. This section should be amended and moved to a section about sampling and analysis.
7. Testing impacts on marine organisms: As per suggestion, parts of this section need to be merged with other sections to form a useful guide to experimental design, and/or sampling and analysis. For instance the first paragraph is about getting the right experimental design (using short term manipulations, or longer term equilibrations), while the second paragraph is about sample collection and preventing errors. The third paragraph here does not provide much useful information in its current form. It should be part of the experimental design considerations for when deciding what type of experiment to choose depending on organism life-history, pre-exposure, and multiple stressors. Probably can be merged with section 8 paragraphs.
Sections 8, 9, 10 and 12 have useful information buried in them, but would benefit from re-ordering with an experimental design context. Choose species, choose experimental duration – stress responses vs other physiological responses vs longer term responses (such as growth, reproduction). Interaction and community experiments. Portable (ship-based) vs non-portable set ups.
Sections 11 and 12 both seem oddly detailed compared to the rest of the sections. Especially section 12, e.g. Line 419 “once the vessels have been placed into the tank, they should be secured…” this is very detailed (unnecessary!) methods compared to most of the other sections on lab set ups.
Figure 1: The sacrificial replication need to illustrate that there are replicates within each of the units that are sacrificed at each time point – and hence time should also be illustrated here. There should be a distinction between repeated sampling through time within the same experimental unit (temporal replication) and sacrificial replication which has much more initial replicates per treatment in order to make sure there are enough to follow through time (e.g. three time points, three replicates, would need 9 initial units at the start, when 3 are sacrificed at T1, leaving 6, then 3 more sacrificed at T2, leaving final 3 for sampling at T3).
Table 2. Please add inorganic nutrients to the basic chemistry variables to be measured as well as temperature and salinity. It seems obvious that these should be measured, but given the lessons we learned from acidification research that often these are inadequately reported and therefore not comparable, maybe they need to be explicitly stated here!
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-RC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC1', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023
C1. “… the abstract promising 4 very useful things but then I don’t find I have been given that information on those 4 aspects once I’ve read the whole paper.
R1. Each of the four key points highlighted in the abstract will be addressed in the manuscript
C2. “Overall I think the paper could do with a slight rearrangement and focus to provide the reader with more useful information – perhaps something that follows their Table 1 (thus making table 1 a more important visual representation of the paper) and provides the details that’s in the legend of that table in the text.”
R2. The sections will be rearranged following the Reviewer’s suggestions.
C3. Improving clarity re: what the paper sets out to achieve in introduction
R3. The introduction will be re-written and it will include the four key points highlighted in the abstract.
C4. Line 22: change “are intended to be” to “need to be”
R4. This will be amended.
C5. Line 35: “The current focus” of what?
R5. “The current focus of OAE research…”
C6. Line 38-40: Some of the language could be written more confidently, given this is supposed to be recommendation and best practice. This sentence is a perfect example of this, as it suggests (in a convoluted way) that the authors don’t yet know what the best practice should be. Same for Lines 42 to 45.
R6. We feel it is necessary to highlight that this guide is a first step in an iterative process. The document will evolve as the OAE community makes results available. There are however examples through the chapter where we could perhaps make more concrete statements in terms of recommendations.
C7. Line 42: “The rich insights obtained in ocean acidification research…” sentence is out of place here. It should be the start of section 2.
This will be amended.
R7. Line 49: “Offering guidelines provided in this chapter…” this isn’t very good English. The sentence needs re-writing.
The statement will be changed to “The guidelines offered in this chapter…”
R8. 2. Lessons Learned from ocean acidification research: This section seems to spend the first paragraph saying how bad acidification research was, in terms of improper reporting, improper replication, or improper conditions (which then are justified in the later sentences of the paragraph). Instead it would be useful to frame OAE in the context of what we have learned from acidification research (and other lab experimental work), pointing towards the OA guide to best practice for a lot of detail on lab and chemistry manipulation information that cannot be covered in this chapter. Highlighting the importance for clear media preparation, consistent manipulation of the chemistry, reporting of this data and experimental design. All of which will then be covered in the following sections. In addition, specific to acidification and OAE, is the second paragraph and third paragraphs about DOM but also the multiple stressors.
C8. We feel we present a reasonably balanced perspective using mainly conclusions from synthesis studies with respect to the gaps and inconsistencies in OA research. We have avoided portraying OA research as a ‘bad or good’ example but rather we highlight what worked and what did not work based on peer-reviewed work (e.g., the remaining two paragraphs of the section – lines 67-80).
C9. Line 57: “In their study…” who’s study?
R9. We will change to “Cornwall and Hurd (2016) reported that 95% of the experimental work…”
C10. Line 61-64: Pointing out the choice of treatment conditions is useful, but the way it is done here is not helpful. It would be more useful to state that careful consideration is needed when deciding treatment levels. Learning from acidification research there are two aspects resources and question trying to be answered. If there are limited resources then focus on realistic levels, however if the question is about determining thresholds or determining the underlying physiological mechanisms of a response, then pushing beyond those realistic levels might have more value.
R10. This statement will be qualified following the Reviewer’s suggestion.
C11. Box 1: This box does not appear to be referred to anywhere in the text other than the last sentence of the portable incubation experiments. If it is meant to be a summary of good standard practise then it needs to be more informative to that point. There is more useful information in Ch4.1 on all of these aspects than is presented in this box. For instance, Reproducibility – experiments need to be considered fully replicable by reporting methods correctly as well as sampling and reporting on all key parameters (see table 2)….
R11. While we could easily remove this box we feel there are useful elements that are specific to lab experiments. We will make sure we make reference to the box through the text.
C12. Line 84: “… we have learned that similar approaches can…” what is meant by this?
R12. What is meant is that “From the emerging OAE research and the OA literature we (the CDR community, the reader) have learned that similar approaches can lead to conflicting and unresolved outcomes”. We can change the verbal tense and avoid ‘we’ if the use of first person is against journal policy.
C13. 3. Seawater media preparation: This section, as well as section 4 and 5 could all do with reworking, especially if the authors decide to follow my suggestion in the overall comment. They need to have focussed take away messages – following the lines of Table 1.
R13. We will follow suggestions re: the structure and clarity when we make recommendations.
C14. 4. Sources of alkalinity: As above. Given there is a chapter on this topic, here the authors would benefit from being more specific about how one would manipulate the carbonate chemistry in a lab experiment setting. i.e. the types of alkalinity but also the suitability (pros/cons maybe) for types of experiment (phytoplankton, zooplankton, benthic). Given also the caveat (as explained on line 160) that alkalinity above a certain threshold causes precipitates. Does this need to be avoided? What are the implications?
R14. We will address each of the issues pointed out by the Reviewer in this section. The formation of precipitates is undesirable in terms of CDR potential and also because of potentially adverse biological and physical impacts. This will be made clear.
C15. 5. Impacts of impurities: As above.
R15. We will follow suggestions re: the structure and clarity when we make recommendations.
C16. 6. Experimental replication:
Line 229: replace “several approaches can be applied experimentally to address replication” with “Replication is important in order to… …there are a number of experimental designs that can be set up that allow adequate statistical replication”.R16. This will be amended.
C17. Line 230: “experimental unit (containing replicates)” is not an experimental unit if it then contains replicates within it! Simple replication involved having more than one experimental unit per treatment where all conditions are manipulated independently but in the same way for that treatment. These experimental units can be considered as independent.
R17. This will be amended both in the text and in the figure.
C18. Line 233: “treated as independent experiment units of a treatment” is incorrect. Temporal sampling of the same unit is not independent as there is more chance the response is similar at points closer in time than further away in time (see section 4.4.3 of Guide to best practice for acidification research, or other stats books). However, as long as we have replicate units being sampled through time then we can use repeated measures statistics to account for this non-independence.
R18. By independent we meant that, aside from the experimental units receiving the same treatment, “the experimental units will not be subject to conditions that are, on average, more similar than are the conditions to which two systems each assigned to a different treatment are subject” (see Kozlov & Hurlbert, 2006). We will clarify this in the paragraph.
C19. Second paragraph (line 243-254) is not about experimental replication but instead is about reducing errors and storage issues. This section should be amended and moved to a section about sampling and analysis.
R19. This paragraph will be part of a new section on experimental design and sampling.
C20. 7. Testing impacts on marine organisms: As per suggestion, parts of this section need to be merged with other sections to form a useful guide to experimental design, and/or sampling and analysis. For instance the first paragraph is about getting the right experimental design (using short term manipulations, or longer term equilibrations), while the second paragraph is about sample collection and preventing errors. The third paragraph here does not provide much useful information in its current form. It should be part of the experimental design considerations for when deciding what type of experiment to choose depending on organism life-history, pre-exposure, and multiple stressors. Probably can be merged with section 8 paragraphs.
R20. Most of this section will be incorporated into a new section on experimental design and sampling.
C21. Sections 8, 9, 10 and 12 have useful information buried in them, but would benefit from re-ordering with an experimental design context. Choose species, choose experimental duration – stress responses vs other physiological responses vs longer term responses (such as growth, reproduction). Interaction and community experiments. Portable (ship-based) vs non-portable set ups.
R21. We will follow Reviewer’s suggestions.
C22. Sections 11 and 12 both seem oddly detailed compared to the rest of the sections. Especially section 12, e.g. Line 419 “once the vessels have been placed into the tank, they should be secured…” this is very detailed (unnecessary!) methods compared to most of the other sections on lab set ups.
R22. These sections will be balanced in content and detail with the other chapter sections in the new version of the manuscript.
C23. Figure 1: The sacrificial replication need to illustrate that there are replicates within each of the units that are sacrificed at each time point – and hence time should also be illustrated here. There should be a distinction between repeated sampling through time within the same experimental unit (temporal replication) and sacrificial replication which has much more initial replicates per treatment in order to make sure there are enough to follow through time (e.g. three time points, three replicates, would need 9 initial units at the start, when 3 are sacrificed at T1, leaving 6, then 3 more sacrificed at T2, leaving final 3 for sampling at T3).
R23. The temporal component of the sacrificial replication will be amended in the figure as well as the number of initial experimental units and the decline in numbers over time.
C24. Table 2. Please add inorganic nutrients to the basic chemistry variables to be measured as well as temperature and salinity. It seems obvious that these should be measured, but given the lessons we learned from acidification research that often these are inadequately reported and therefore not comparable, maybe they need to be explicitly stated here!
R24. These new variables will be added to the table.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-AC3
-
AC3: 'Reply on RC1', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023
-
RC2: 'Comment on sp-2023-7', Alex Poulton, 24 Aug 2023
General
The article is a necessary addition to the guidelines for OAE experimental research. It is well written and generally covers the diversity of experimental targets (i.e. organisms) and treatments required for a thorough understanding of OAE biological responses. However, at times the article either needs to recognize this need to cover all organisms and not focus on specifics, or identify that the recommendations presented are more relevant to certain groups (e.g., Table 1). At times the article could also be stronger in its recommendations; reproducibility, representative controls, clear methodology and recognizing inherent limitations are key themes for the article and at times these could be more strongly emphasized to ensure the reader follows them in their future endeavors.
Specific comments
Ln 57: Please make clear that ‘their study’ refers to Cornwall and Hurd (2016), and also what does ‘interdependent’ refer to (replication or treatments)?
Lns 73-80: Resource availability (nutrients, light, prey) is another confounding factor that it would be good to mention here as this will determine the strength of response. It is also an important difference between laboratory and field experiments that needs consideration when scaling from one to the other. This is followed up later in the article but here it would be good to introduce these issues.
Ln 109: Removing ‘as controls’ from this line would avoid confusion with untreated controls.
Ln 116: Suggest adding the caveat that where sterilization is not required for the experimental set up.
Ln 153: Do the authors consider that determining responses to the ‘initial spikes in pH and drops in CO2’ is an important step, or should the focus be on the response under ‘steady state via bubbling’?
Ln 165: Medium preparation is necessary in terms of experimentation with microalgae, what considerations are needed for other organisms (e.g., benthic organisms, zooplankton, fish)?
Ln 385: Whilst the authors focus on 13C methodology for rate determination, would it be advantageous to mention here that treatment-specific determination of DIC concentrations is also recommended for 14C methodology (e.g., in studies looking at photo-physiology, where P v E methods are required, or calcification rates)?
Ln 391: This seems like a weak recommendation (‘we ought to follow these protocols ..’) and stronger wording is suggested.
Ln 422: What about light contamination from the ship – this is an important additional consideration.
Ln 450: Shouldn’t resource availability (prey, nutrients) not be a key variable to measure during the experiments?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-RC2 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023
General
The article is a necessary addition to the guidelines for OAE experimental research. It is well written and generally covers the diversity of experimental targets (i.e. organisms) and treatments required for a thorough understanding of OAE biological responses. However, at times the article either needs to recognize this need to cover all organisms and not focus on specifics, or identify that the recommendations presented are more relevant to certain groups (e.g., Table 1). At times the article could also be stronger in its recommendations; reproducibility, representative controls, clear methodology and recognizing inherent limitations are key themes for the article and at times these could be more strongly emphasized to ensure the reader follows them in their future endeavors.
Specific comments
C1. Ln 57: Please make clear that ‘their study’ refers to Cornwall and Hurd (2016), and also what does ‘interdependent’ refer to (replication or treatments)?
R1. We will amend this line in the revised manuscript. “Interdependent” refers to the method of replication. An example of interdependent replication is given in Cornwall and Heard (2016): “An example of replicates within treatments that are interdependent are treatment replicates that all share a common header tank that is not shared with replicates of other treatments…”. They further note that interdependence can be avoided in experimental design by randomly interspersing replicates of a treatment.
C2. Lns 73-80: Resource availability (nutrients, light, prey) is another confounding factor that it would be good to mention here as this will determine the strength of response. It is also an important difference between laboratory and field experiments that needs consideration when scaling from one to the other. This is followed up later in the article but here it would be good to introduce these issues.
R2. We will incorporate the Reviewer’s suggestion in our revised manuscript.
C3. Ln 109: Removing ‘as controls’ from this line would avoid confusion with untreated controls.
R3. We will amend this in the revised manuscript.
C4. Ln 116: Suggest adding the caveat that where sterilization is not required for the experimental set up.
R4. We will incorporate the authors suggestion into the revised manuscript.
C5. Ln 153: Do the authors consider that determining responses to the ‘initial spikes in pH and drops in CO2’ is an important step, or should the focus be on the response under ‘steady state via bubbling’?
R5. Determining responses to initial alkalinity spikes is an important step in OAE research in addition to determining steady-state responses. We will clarify this in the revised manuscript.
C6. Ln 165: Medium preparation is necessary in terms of experimentation with microalgae, what considerations are needed for other organisms (e.g., benthic organisms, zooplankton, fish)?
R6. We will expand this section and include considerations for preparing medium for other organisms.
C7. Ln 385: Whilst the authors focus on 13C methodology for rate determination, would it be advantageous to mention here that treatment-specific determination of DIC concentrations is also recommended for 14C methodology (e.g., in studies looking at photo-physiology, where P v E methods are required, or calcification rates)?
R7. We think it will be advantageous to include this clarification.
C8. Ln 391: This seems like a weak recommendation (‘we ought to follow these protocols ..’) and stronger wording is suggested.
R8. We will use stronger language in the revised manuscript.
C9. Ln 422: What about light contamination from the ship – this is an important additional consideration.
R9. We will note that effort should be taken to position the incubator in a way that avoids confounding factors such as light contamination in our revised manuscript.
C10. Ln 450: Shouldn’t resource availability (prey, nutrients) not be a key variable to measure during the experiments?
R10. Species interactions (e.g., predation, competition for resources) are included in Table 2. However, dissolved inorganic nutrients is not listed as a variable, and we will include this variable in the ‘basic chemistry variables’.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-AC1
-
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023
-
RC3: 'Comment on sp-2023-7', Justin Ries, 26 Aug 2023
The manuscript by Iglesias-Rodriguez et al provides a useful framework for designing and implementing experiments aimed at investigating impacts of ocean alkalinity enhancement (OAE) on marine organisms. The authors wisely use the framework for ocean acidification (OA) experiments, which emerged over the past couple of decades of intensive research on the subject, as the starting place for their proposed OAE experimental framework.
My main suggestion for the authors as they revise their manuscript is to avoid being too prescriptive and restrictive in their recommendations. As the authors are aware, some of the foundational studies in the field of OA research came from experiments that did not conform to the style of experiments that most other workers were utilizing. For example, Jury et al (2010) conducted OA experiments on corals where they manipulated carbonate chemistry through the addition of various combinations of acid and alkalinity, rather than through CO2-equilibration. Although this approach was not recommended by the OA Best Practices Guide, it allowed for the deconvolution of the impacts of the various aspects of the seawater carbonate system on coral calcification, ultimately leading to the important finding that coral calcification is most strongly influenced by the bicarbonate ion concentration – a finding that would not have been evident if the experiments were conducted via CO2-equilibration as recommended. It also seems overly prescriptive to limit the upper levels of alkalinity addition to such low levels as described in the manuscript (3000-4000 umol/kg-sw). It is always better to have too much information about how a system works, than too little. If workers looking at higher alkalinity levels produce studies that do not fit perfectly into a meta-analysis because other workers did not evaluate such equally high levels of alkalinity, then the worker conducting the review paper or comparative study can simply restrict their comparison to the range of alkalinities that were tested by all studies under evaluation. Like for OA experiments over the past two decades, OAE experiments will not only provide insight into how marine organisms will respond to applied chemical CDR, it will also provide tremendous insight into the source(s) of carbon for photosynthesis and calcification, thereby improving our understanding of the very mechanisms of tissue and shell production in marine organisms. However, to maximize the insight gained from OAE experiment about these more fundamental processes, we should not unnecessarily restrict the scope and design of these experiments so that they are optimized only for applied CDR via OAE, just as we should not restrict OA experiments so that they are only optimized for year 2100 IPCC CO2 emission scenarios.
Lastly, I would also recommend that the reviewers incorporate information that has been gleaned from quasi-OAE experiments conducted in parallel fields investigating the impact of river liming to combat the effects of acid rain (mainly 1960-1980s) and the effects of seawater buffering (mainly by Na2CO3 addition) utilized by the commercial shellfish industry.
The authors should be commended for their efforts in producing a manuscript that should ultimately prove to be extremely useful in standardizing and advancing the emerging field of experimental OAE research.
Line 25: consider adding ‘meta-analysis’ as reason for standardizing methods
38: invert latter half of sentence for clarity (‘impacts of OAE approaches at various levels of…’
45: consider expanding ‘interlaboratory comparisons’ to include ‘interspecies comparisons’, both of which would benefit from the standardization of methods advocated for herein.
53: In addition to the section on ‘Lessons learned from OA research’, the authors may want to consider including a section on the OAE research that has been conducted to date. There have been numerous studies conducted on the impact of OAE on aqueous organisms from past research by the shellfish industry investigating the utility of so-called ‘sweetening’ the water through addition of mainly soda ash (Na2CO3), a practice utilized in shellfish hatcheries for decades, and also in the academic and industrial fields of ‘river liming’, which dissolved primarily CaCO3 and dolomite in higher latitude watersheds to offset the effects of acid rain (due to NOx and SOx emissions) in the 1960s and 1970, but is still practiced today in Canada and some Scandinavian countries, among other places. Although the goals of increasing the alkalinity of hatchery waters (for shellfish) and river waters (for offsetting acid rain) was not to sequester CO2, many of these studies did evaluate the impacts of these activities on the organisms – which is the subject of the present chapter.
69: Authors mention that DOM ‘contributes’ to alkalinity of seawater. But DOM can also reduce (rather than ‘contribute’ to) alkalinity on a net basis by releasing organic acids. It may be worth mentioning that alkalinity can be both increased or decreased by DOM, depending on what type of DOM is released and what happens to that DOM after release.
70: change ‘to’ to ‘in’, or ‘taken’ to ‘given’
78-79: ‘given the capacity to drive shifts..’; need to include reference the subject in this part of the sentence. i.e., given the capacity of what to drive shifts?
79: consider including ‘physiological outputs, survival, and reproduction’ along with shifts in species abundance, etc., since those former parameters are the ones that will more often be measured in OAE and OA studies.
92: consider adding ‘and precipitation’ after ‘dissolution’, since both are relevant
92: sentence contains a non sequitur
101: sodium is a metal
106 : rates of growth and calcification can also be measured by changes in dry mass or buoyant mass in many species, especially macroinvertebrates and macroalgae (see Davies, and others).
140: For clarity, consider adding ‘and therefore the saturation state of the seawater with respect to CaCO3’ to end of sentence.
145: there is also concern about metals leaching from other sources of alkalinity beyond olivine, such as from basalt, brucite, and even carbonates associated with zones of hydrothermal alteration where metals can be enriched.
147: NaOH is probably not a scalable source of alkalinity for OAE because its production (the chlor-alkali electrochemical process) requires energy (which releases CO2 if derived from fossil fuel) and, more importantly, would produce massive amounts of HCl as a byproduct — which, from an Earth-system mass balance perspective, would eventually cause ocean acidification and re-release of the sequestered CO2. I would avoid advocating for any particular form of alkalinity in this chapter. The jury is still out on that one -- indeed, this is one of the goals of the forthcoming OAE experiments.
147: just because a waste product (HCl) can be used as a ‘cleaning product’ does not make it ‘clean’ in the environmental impact sense. I would not include this line of reasoning here.149: NaOH is indeed mined, it is just mined from the sea rather than from land.
153: specify: a drop in ‘aqueous’ CO2
157: since one of the key goals of OAE research will be to determine the maximum alkalinity that different species can tolerate without deleterious effects, I would strongly recommend against prescribing such a low upper-limit to the OAE experiments as 3000-4000 umol/kg-sw. It is likely that seawater that receives alkalinity or OAE could increase well above 10,000 umol/kg-sw at the instant of addition, and still not cause reprecipitation if diluted/mixed by waves and wind. I would suggest encouraging workers to explore a wide range of alkalinities to maximize inference from their experiments and avoid limiting the applicability of their research in the event that OAE practitioners ends up deploying alkalinity at concentrations greater than 4,000 umol/kg-sw (which they likely will, at least immediately after release). An analogous misstep was also made in the field of OA research, which initially recommended only investigating pCO2 levels within the 400 to 1000 uatm range, as that is what is predicted for the open ocean over the next century, when in reality many of the estuaries, marginal marine environments, and shelf systems that host most of the marine calcifiers in the ocean already experience pCO2 conditions in the 1500-2000 uatm range today due to seasonal eutrophication, upwelling, etc. I would conservatively suggest that OAE experiments investigate alkalinities up to at least 10,000 uatm/kg-sw, which is arguably the maximum that can be maintained without inducing reprecipitation, and – importantly – workers should utilize intermediate treatments (e.g., 2000, 4000, 7000 uatm/kg-sw, rather than just low/high treatments, in order to identify potential nonlinear and even parabolic responses – an important and unexpected outcome of early OA research (e.g., Ries, J.B., Cohen, A.L., McCorkle, D.C. 2009. Marine calcifiers exhibit mixed responses to CO2-induced ocean acidification. Geology, 37 (12):1131-1134.).
166: consider specifying at the onset of this section that the formulation of f/2 media, or other nutrient media, would only be applicable to experiments on algae.
213: considering using ‘carbonate precipitation’ instead of ‘carbonate formation’ to differentiate the process of carbonate ion formation from carbonate mineral formation
217-219: sentence should be rephrased for clarity
224: sentence would benefit from clarification of the term ‘tested saturation levels’.
243: ‘sample’ instead of ‘sampling’
302: sentence should also include a statement that prior empirical studies have shown that the Mg/Ca ratio of Mg-calcite producing organisms generally varies proportionally with seawater Mg/Ca (e.g., Ries, J.B. 2004. The effect of ambient Mg/Ca on Mg fractionation in calcareous marine invertebrates: A record of Phanerozoic Mg/Ca in seawater. Geology 32(11):981-984; Ries, J.B. 2006. Mg fractionation in crustose coralline algae: Geochemical, biological, and sedimentological implications of secular variation in the Mg/Ca ratio of seawater. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 70:891-900) – which is key to the logical argument that adding Mg via brucite addition (or Ca via CaCO3 or Ca(OH)2 addition) would locally modify seawater Mg/Ca and, therefore, the Mg content (and solubility) of biomineralized calcite.
303: The Bischoff et al (1987) reference applies mainly to synthetic abiogenic calcite. For a recent reference to support the statement that biogenic calcite dissolves more quickly (i.e., is less stable) when it contains higher Mg/Ca ratios, see: Ries, J.B., Ghazaleh, M.N., Connolly, B., Westfield, I., Castillo, K.D., 2016, Impacts of ocean acidification and warming on the dissolution kinetics of whole-shell biogenic carbonates. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 192: 318-337. doi: 10.1016/j.gca.2016.07.001.
303: I would recommend expanding this section to include discussion of the impacts of the major metals (Mg2+, Ca2+) associated with the alkalinity source on marine calcifiers. For instance, alkalinization with the common alkalinizing minerals Ca(OH)2 (slaked lime), Mg(OH)2 (brucite), CaCO3 (limestone) or (Mg,Ca)CO3 (dolomite) will modify the Mg/Ca of the affected seawater, which has been shown by an extensive body of literature to favor both the biogenic and abiogenic precipitation of low-Mg calcite when seawater Mg/Ca falls within the calcite stability field (seawater mMg/Ca < 2) and the biogenic and abiogenic precipitation of aragonite and high-Mg calcite when seawater Mg/Ca falls within the aragonite stability field (seawater mMg/Ca > 2) (c.f., Ries, J.B., 2010, Geological and experimental evidence for secular variation in seawater Mg/Ca (calcite-aragonite seas) and its effects on marine biological calcification. Biogeosciences 7: 2795-2849.) Thus, modification of local seawater Mg/Ca ratios by OAE has the potential to favor aragonite and high-Mg calcite organisms if seawater Mg/Ca is increased, and low-Mg calcite organisms if seawater Mg/Ca is decreased. This goes beyond the issue of higher-Mg calcite shells being more easily dissolved in seawater than lower-Mg calcite shells that is addressed in this paragraph, and would probably be worth highlighting as an important area of future OAE research.
389: ‘propagation’
Table 2: the references cited for seawater Mg:Ca manipulation studies (Brzezinski 1985 etc) do not include protocols for experimental manipulation of seawater Mg/Ca. A more relevant reference is needed.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-RC3 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023
The manuscript by Iglesias-Rodriguez et al provides a useful framework for designing and implementing experiments aimed at investigating impacts of ocean alkalinity enhancement (OAE) on marine organisms. The authors wisely use the framework for ocean acidification (OA) experiments, which emerged over the past couple of decades of intensive research on the subject, as the starting place for their proposed OAE experimental framework.
C1. My main suggestion for the authors as they revise their manuscript is to avoid being too prescriptive and restrictive in their recommendations. As the authors are aware, some of the foundational studies in the field of OA research came from experiments that did not conform to the style of experiments that most other workers were utilizing. For example, Jury et al (2010) conducted OA experiments on corals where they manipulated carbonate chemistry through the addition of various combinations of acid and alkalinity, rather than through CO2-equilibration. Although this approach was not recommended by the OA Best Practices Guide, it allowed for the deconvolution of the impacts of the various aspects of the seawater carbonate system on coral calcification, ultimately leading to the important finding that coral calcification is most strongly influenced by the bicarbonate ion concentration – a finding that would not have been evident if the experiments were conducted via CO2-equilibration as recommended. It also seems overly prescriptive to limit the upper levels of alkalinity addition to such low levels as described in the manuscript (3000-4000 umol/kg-sw). It is always better to have too much information about how a system works, than too little. If workers looking at higher alkalinity levels produce studies that do not fit perfectly into a meta-analysis because other workers did not evaluate such equally high levels of alkalinity, then the worker conducting the review paper or comparative study can simply restrict their comparison to the range of alkalinities that were tested by all studies under evaluation. Like for OA experiments over the past two decades, OAE experiments will not only provide insight into how marine organisms will respond to applied chemical CDR, it will also provide tremendous insight into the source(s) of carbon for photosynthesis and calcification, thereby improving our understanding of the very mechanisms of tissue and shell production in marine organisms. However, to maximize the insight gained from OAE experiment about these more fundamental processes, we should not unnecessarily restrict the scope and design of these experiments so that they are optimized only for applied CDR via OAE, just as we should not restrict OA experiments so that they are only optimized for year 2100 IPCC CO2 emission scenarios.
R1. We will modify the recommendation re: ranges of alkalinity addition. The motivation for establishing the upper limit stems from observations of secondary precipitation but we agree we need empirical data to learn about the system and in scaling up it might be necessary to adapt levels of alkalinity addition.
C2. Lastly, I would also recommend that the reviewers incorporate information that has been gleaned from quasi-OAE experiments conducted in parallel fields investigating the impact of river liming to combat the effects of acid rain (mainly 1960-1980s) and the effects of seawater buffering (mainly by Na2CO3 addition) utilized by the commercial shellfish industry.
R2. We will add a paragraph with the suggested background work for context.
C3. The authors should be commended for their efforts in producing a manuscript that should ultimately prove to be extremely useful in standardizing and advancing the emerging field of experimental OAE research.
R3. We thank the Reviewer for their positive comment.
C4. Line 25: consider adding ‘meta-analysis’ as reason for standardizing methods
R4. Meta-analysis will be added.
C5. 38: invert latter half of sentence for clarity (‘impacts of OAE approaches at various levels of…’
R5. This will be amended.
C6. 45: consider expanding ‘interlaboratory comparisons’ to include ‘interspecies comparisons’, both of which would benefit from the standardization of methods advocated for herein.
R6. Interspecies comparison will be added.
R7. 53: In addition to the section on ‘Lessons learned from OA research’, the authors may want to consider including a section on the OAE research that has been conducted to date. There have been numerous studies conducted on the impact of OAE on aqueous organisms from past research by the shellfish industry investigating the utility of so-called ‘sweetening’ the water through addition of mainly soda ash (Na2CO3), a practice utilized in shellfish hatcheries for decades, and also in the academic and industrial fields of ‘river liming’, which dissolved primarily CaCO3 and dolomite in higher latitude watersheds to offset the effects of acid rain (due to NOx and SOx emissions) in the 1960s and 1970, but is still practiced today in Canada and some Scandinavian countries, among other places. Although the goals of increasing the alkalinity of hatchery waters (for shellfish) and river waters (for offsetting acid rain) was not to sequester CO2, many of these studies did evaluate the impacts of these activities on the organisms – which is the subject of the present chapter.
C7. We will add a section to include lessons learned from alkalinization of seawater shellfish.
C8. 69: Authors mention that DOM ‘contributes’ to alkalinity of seawater. But DOM can also reduce (rather than ‘contribute’ to) alkalinity on a net basis by releasing organic acids. It may be worth mentioning that alkalinity can be both increased or decreased by DOM, depending on what type of DOM is released and what happens to that DOM after release.
R8. This will be amended.
C9. 70: change ‘to’ to ‘in’, or ‘taken’ to ‘given’
R9. This will be amended.
C10. 78-79: ‘given the capacity to drive shifts..’; need to include reference the subject in this part of the sentence. i.e., given the capacity of what to drive shifts?
R10. This will be amended. “…given the capacity of these parameters to drive shifts…”.
C11. 79: consider including ‘physiological outputs, survival, and reproduction’ along with shifts in species abundance, etc., since those former parameters are the ones that will more often be measured in OAE and OA studies.
R11. These parameters will be included.
C12. 92: consider adding ‘and precipitation’ after ‘dissolution’, since both are relevant
R12. This will be amended.
C13. 92: sentence contains a non sequitur
R13. This paragraph will be re-written to improve logical flow of the ideas presented.
C14. 101: sodium is a metal
R14. “Metals” will be replaced by ‘trace metals’.
C15. 106 : rates of growth and calcification can also be measured by changes in dry mass or buoyant mass in many species, especially macroinvertebrates and macroalgae (see Davies, and others).
R15. These methods will be mentioned in this section.
C16. 140: For clarity, consider adding ‘and therefore the saturation state of the seawater with respect to CaCO3’ to end of sentence.
R16. This will be amended as suggested.
C17. 145: there is also concern about metals leaching from other sources of alkalinity beyond olivine, such as from basalt, brucite, and even carbonates associated with zones of hydrothermal alteration where metals can be enriched.
R17. It will be clarified that metals can leach from other alkalinity sources.
C18. 147: NaOH is probably not a scalable source of alkalinity for OAE because its production (the chlor-alkali electrochemical process) requires energy (which releases CO2 if derived from fossil fuel) and, more importantly, would produce massive amounts of HCl as a byproduct — which, from an Earth-system mass balance perspective, would eventually cause ocean acidification and re-release of the sequestered CO2. I would avoid advocating for any particular form of alkalinity in this chapter. The jury is still out on that one -- indeed, this is one of the goals of the forthcoming OAE experiments.
R18. We will remove or modify any statement that endorses a particular OAE approach.
C19. 147: just because a waste product (HCl) can be used as a ‘cleaning product’ does not make it ‘clean’ in the environmental impact sense. I would not include this line of reasoning here.R19. This statement will be removed.
C20. 149: NaOH is indeed mined, it is just mined from the sea rather than from land.
E20. This statement will be revised.
C21. 153: specify: a drop in ‘aqueous’ CO2
R21. This will be specified.
C22. 157: since one of the key goals of OAE research will be to determine the maximum alkalinity that different species can tolerate without deleterious effects, I would strongly recommend against prescribing such a low upper-limit to the OAE experiments as 3000-4000 umol/kg-sw. It is likely that seawater that receives alkalinity or OAE could increase well above 10,000 umol/kg-sw at the instant of addition, and still not cause reprecipitation if diluted/mixed by waves and wind. I would suggest encouraging workers to explore a wide range of alkalinities to maximize inference from their experiments and avoid limiting the applicability of their research in the event that OAE practitioners ends up deploying alkalinity at concentrations greater than 4,000 umol/kg-sw (which they likely will, at least immediately after release). An analogous misstep was also made in the field of OA research, which initially recommended only investigating pCO2 levels within the 400 to 1000 uatm range, as that is what is predicted for the open ocean over the next century, when in reality many of the estuaries, marginal marine environments, and shelf systems that host most of the marine calcifiers in the ocean already experience pCO2 conditions in the 1500-2000 uatm range today due to seasonal eutrophication, upwelling, etc. I would conservatively suggest that OAE experiments investigate alkalinities up to at least 10,000 uatm/kg-sw, which is arguably the maximum that can be maintained without inducing reprecipitation, and – importantly – workers should utilize intermediate treatments (e.g., 2000, 4000, 7000 uatm/kg-sw, rather than just low/high treatments, in order to identify potential nonlinear and even parabolic responses – an important and unexpected outcome of early OA research (e.g., Ries, J.B., Cohen, A.L., McCorkle, D.C. 2009. Marine calcifiers exhibit mixed responses to CO2-induced ocean acidification. Geology, 37 (12):1131-1134.).
R22. We agree with the Reviewer in that it is perhaps too early to make a recommendation for upper limits of alkalinity addition. Although there is evidence suggesting the formation of secondary precipitates with alkalinity values <5000 umol/kg seawater, engineering research on mechanisms to deploy alkalinity to minimize precipitation will be crucial to define upper limits. We will make sure our recommendations are sufficiently broad to promote learning about the system.
C23. 166: consider specifying at the onset of this section that the formulation of f/2 media, or other nutrient media, would only be applicable to experiments on algae.
R23. This will be specified.
C24. 213: considering using ‘carbonate precipitation’ instead of ‘carbonate formation’ to differentiate the process of carbonate ion formation from carbonate mineral formation.
R24. We will use ‘carbonate precipitation’ instead of ‘carbonate formation’.
C25. 217-219: sentence should be rephrased for clarity
R25. This sentence will be removed and a statement on the importance of sample storage will be included in a new section on ‘experimental design and sampling’.
C26. 224: sentence would benefit from clarification of the term ‘tested saturation levels’.
R26. This term will be clarified to distinguish alkaline solutions from reactive alkaline particles that can lead to carbonate precipitation.
C27. 243: ‘sample’ instead of ‘sampling’
R27. This will be amended.
C29. 302: sentence should also include a statement that prior empirical studies have shown that the Mg/Ca ratio of Mg-calcite producing organisms generally varies proportionally with seawater Mg/Ca (e.g., Ries, J.B. 2004. The effect of ambient Mg/Ca on Mg fractionation in calcareous marine invertebrates: A record of Phanerozoic Mg/Ca in seawater. Geology 32(11):981-984; Ries, J.B. 2006. Mg fractionation in crustose coralline algae: Geochemical, biological, and sedimentological implications of secular variation in the Mg/Ca ratio of seawater. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 70:891-900) – which is key to the logical argument that adding Mg via brucite addition (or Ca via CaCO3 or Ca(OH)2 addition) would locally modify seawater Mg/Ca and, therefore, the Mg content (and solubility) of biomineralized calcite.
R29. A statement including this work will be added.
C30. 303: The Bischoff et al (1987) reference applies mainly to synthetic abiogenic calcite. For a recent reference to support the statement that biogenic calcite dissolves more quickly (i.e., is less stable) when it contains higher Mg/Ca ratios, see: Ries, J.B., Ghazaleh, M.N., Connolly, B., Westfield, I., Castillo, K.D., 2016, Impacts of ocean acidification and warming on the dissolution kinetics of whole-shell biogenic carbonates. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 192: 318-337. doi: 10.1016/j.gca.2016.07.001.
R30. We will include the more recent reference to support our statement.
C31. 303: I would recommend expanding this section to include discussion of the impacts of the major metals (Mg2+, Ca2+) associated with the alkalinity source on marine calcifiers. For instance, alkalinization with the common alkalinizing minerals Ca(OH)2 (slaked lime), Mg(OH)2 (brucite), CaCO3 (limestone) or (Mg,Ca)CO3 (dolomite) will modify the Mg/Ca of the affected seawater, which has been shown by an extensive body of literature to favor both the biogenic and abiogenic precipitation of low-Mg calcite when seawater Mg/Ca falls within the calcite stability field (seawater mMg/Ca < 2) and the biogenic and abiogenic precipitation of aragonite and high-Mg calcite when seawater Mg/Ca falls within the aragonite stability field (seawater mMg/Ca > 2) (c.f., Ries, J.B., 2010, Geological and experimental evidence for secular variation in seawater Mg/Ca (calcite-aragonite seas) and its effects on marine biological calcification. Biogeosciences 7: 2795-2849.) Thus, modification of local seawater Mg/Ca ratios by OAE has the potential to favor aragonite and high-Mg calcite organisms if seawater Mg/Ca is increased, and low-Mg calcite organisms if seawater Mg/Ca is decreased. This goes beyond the issue of higher-Mg calcite shells being more easily dissolved in seawater than lower-Mg calcite shells that is addressed in this paragraph, and would probably be worth highlighting as an important area of future OAE research.
R31. We will include a brief discussion on the potential repercussions of altering the Mg/Ca ratio on the selection of calcifiers bearing different polymorphs of CaCO3.
C32. 389: ‘propagation’
R32. The spelling will be corrected in the new version of the manuscript.
C33. Table 2: the references cited for seawater Mg:Ca manipulation studies (Brzezinski 1985 etc) do not include protocols for experimental manipulation of seawater Mg/Ca. A more relevant reference is needed.
R33. A reference for experimental manipulation of seawater Mg/Ca will be included.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-2023-7-AC2
-
AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Maria Debora Iglesias Rodriguez, 08 Oct 2023