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https://doi.org/10.5194/sp-4-osr8-8-2024
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Surface and bottom marine heatwave characteristics in the Barents Sea: a model study
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AR by Vidar S. Lien on behalf of the Authors (21 Mar 2024)
The authors presented a study of MHWs in the Barents Sea, which is very interesting since the MHWs were less studied in the high-latitudes. However, the study cannot be published at the current form for the following major and minor comments:
Major comments:
(a) surface and bottom MHWs
It is very interesting to see the bottom MHWs in this study. My impression is that it might be better to have their focus on the comparisons of surface and bottom MHWs, and even change the title of the manuscript.
However, It is not clear whether the MHWs in the section using ROM data are for the surface or bottom. It might be good to compare both surface and bottom MHWs just as using the TOPAZ data,
(a) Baseline comparison
I don’t think this interesting, since the results are very intuitive at least qualitatively.
I don’t think this meaningful either, since this is just a way for scientists to redefine MHWs for a later period of baseline, but the ecosystem may not be able to get used to the new baseline quickly unless the authors can provide the physical evidence.
(b) MHW algorithm
It is not clear whether the MHWs were diagnosed from the entire time series from 1991 to 2021, or rather diagnosed year by year from January 1 to December 31, since the statement in L83-84 is not consistent with that in Olive et al (2018). See my detailed comments for L83-84.
(d) Heat budget analysis
It is glad to see the heat budgets were used to explain the changes in MHWs, but budgets should be closed. The increase of influx from the Atlantic may not be necessary in favor to MHWs, if the outflux is considered. Also, it is not clear whether theses heat fluxes can be used to explain both surface and bottom MHWs.
Minor comments:
L13-14, It is not clear for “surface and bottom expressions”
L18-19, the recent studies on the MHWs in the Arctic (Hu et al. 2020 and Huang et al. 2021) are worth citing here.
Hu, S., Zhang, L., & Qian, S. (2020). Marine heatwaves in the Arctic region: Variation in different ice covers. Geophysical Research Letters, 47, e2020GL089329. https://doi.org/10.1029/2020GL089329
Huang, B., Z. Wang, X. Yin, A. Arguez, G. Graham, C. Liu, T. Smith, H.-M. Zhang, 2021: Prolonged Marine Heatwaves in the Arctic: 1982-2020. Geophys. Res. Lett., 48, e2021GL095590, https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL095590.
L23, I always has difficulty to understand why 90th percentile was selected as an MHW criterion, since from statistics point of view the 90th percentile is really too low.
L24, the impact of baseline is clear but this does not mean we need to change the base line since the ecosystem may need time to adjust the changes in baseline.
L29, Likewise, the removing of the linear trend does not make sense, since our scientists can remove the warming trend but the ecosystem cannot and it at least needs time to adjust the warming trend. It has not been unknown how long it will take for the ecosystem to get used to the new base line or warming trend.
L56, it may be better to say something why CTD data is used to your assessment.
L83-84, this is not consistent with the statement of Olive et al. (2018): “Note that when calculating the annual statistics of events which occur across several years, the duration and intensity are assigned to the start year of that event.” Authors need to check and verify the consistency between the python code and the statement of Olive et al. As the authors acknowledged that the frequency (maybe duration as well) may have been overestimated due to non-rational separation of MHWs across different years. More importantly, it is not clear whether MHWs are analyzed from the starting year (1991) to the ending year (2021). If yes, it is should be easy to fix the above problem. If not, I guess (based on the statement in the manuscript) the MHWs may have been analyzed every year from the January 1 to December 31. If this is the case, the MHWs may have been underestimated for those MHWs sustained from the end of year to the beginning of the next year. e.g. SSTs are above 90% over December 28-31 and January 1-4 of the next year, these SSTs may not be counted as an MHW if they are analyzed yearly, but should be counted as an MHW if they are analyzed for the entire period.
L98-100, it is easy to understand for the sea bottom MHWs if focuses are the ecosystem of the ocean bottom such as coral reefs. But this should be described much earlier in Introduction section and the Abstract.
L103, should “Table 1” be Table 2? Descriptions are needed for Table 2.
L111-115, it is not clear how these MHWs were diagnosed. Is it different from those based on Hobday et al. (2016) starting from L215?
Fig. 2., it is not very clear why the time series are from 2015 to 2018, as an example? How about the period from 1991-2014? Why the example of 2015-2018 was selected, and what are the implication for these MHWs. E.g. the connections from the 2015-16 El Niño event.
L129-130, since the negative trends of the bottom MHWs were not statistically significant, it might be safe to say “no significant trends were detected”.
L168-169, the heat is not directly related to the influx, but to the convergence of influx and outflux. What is the change of the outflux from Barents Sea to the Arctic?
L172, What is the “turbulent heat”, is it sensible, latent heat fluxes. How about solar radiation fluxes?
Fig. 5., Can the heat flux analyses be applied to both surface and bottom MHWs? What results the differences between surface and bottom MHWs?
Table 3, “Number of marine heatwave events per year during the period 1961-2020” is very confusing and out of context. I think the same period of 1991-2021 should be analyzed and compared with different baseline periods of 1961-1990 and 1991-2020, which can also be compared with the results presented in section 3.1.
Tables 3-5, I assume these are for the surface MHWs, what about the bottom MHWs?
L237-238, Does this imply that the ice may be melted at the bottom while remained at the surface?
L238, is this “sea-ice cover” the surface ice or bottom ice cover?